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same here, in my town its up to 3.58$, the lowest is about 3.19...

I say this with first-hand knowledge; Americans are the first to complain about everything. I'm proud of my nation, but it's true. We have nowhere near the highest prices in the world, when many countries in Europe pay the equivalent of six dollars per gallon.

But that's not the real problem here. A deadly storm has utterly destroyed one of the US's largest cities, crime lords rule unchecked throughout the remnants of the aforementioned city, and we don't have the resources to properly and swiftly deal with this catastrophe. I am very grateful the military has been sent in to New Orleans. Perhaps martial law will help reclaim the domestic tranquility that was shattered by those crime lords.

No, I don't think it was understood well.
I started talking about something current, something that might be news to maybe a few people. You don't need to jump down anyones throat implying that nobody cares about the crisis from the Hurricane here.

Well, not much of "whose fault it is" matters now, #### happend, we need to deal with it.

I have to agree with hobson in this.

Days after the the destructive hurricane Katrina has passed through New Orleans, the huge consequences are starting to become clear. Possibly, the hurricane did not demand hundreds, but thousands of victims. Because of the total chaos in the destroyed areas, offering efficient help is impossible. Even now, people are waiting on the roof of their flooded houses, until they are rescued.

Experts state that the American government was not prepared for such a disaster. All resources and finances go to the "fight against terrorism". The New York Times even states that the latest speech of Bush was one of the worst in his career; it completely lacks compassion.

But the nightmare is not over yet, and more destructive hurricanes are expected. The American National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)  predicts that 21 more tropical storms will take place before the end of the hurricane season on november 30. That means that America, Mexico and the Carribean can expect ten to twelve more hurricanes this year, including a large hurricane with the same destructive force as Katrina. Not all the hurricans that develop above the ocean, will reach land however.

The cause of this "very active" hurricane season is probably the warming up of the ocean water, NOAA states. If the sea water gets warmer than 27°C, the air humidity gets so high that a hurricane or cyclone can develop. After that, a hurricane only needs warm water and the right wind to grow in strength.

Meanwhile, in Asia, Shangai, the tyfoon Talim already causes serious problems. About 600.000 Chinese people were evacuated as a precaution, when the hurricane from Taiwan reached the Chinese south coast. Near a fisher village, waves were recorded of 10m high! The tyfoon raged at 184 km/h.

From freemetro.be

We aren't out in Ohio but it's up. The cheapest i've seen it is 2.99. Average is about 3.09-3.19.

Maybe there would have been more resources to SAVE people, if most of them hadn't been used to KILL people in Iraq instead...

I understand, however, some of us don't have the money to donate. I have a rent to pay, a child to feed, and bills to pay. I have a nice-paying job, but I'm not rich.

It may have been so that by the time they had walked without food or water and little to their name the Hurricane would have hit them with no chance. As it was moving faster than any man could run from it. I think at one point 15 MPH.  Opinions are Opinions. But i will say Busch acted rather patheticly to this crisis. Only days after has aid from the government been sent. Or sufficient aid that is.

Strange how easily people feel attacked while there wasn't any attack. The only name I mentioned was Malia, and my other comment was only a very general one, not pointed at anyone directly in particular. But if people are going to begin to feel attacked, it's better to just lock this topic

Unfor.  days later there are thousands of people still trapped in New Orleans alone, and the looting and killing and raping that is going on is horrible, the few is taking away from others that still need to be rescued.  

There are people dying while standing in the streets waiting to be evacuated, and while we can all talk about how it was a disaster waiting to happen, it has happen so we need help down south, not only in in LA but in Miss and Al where people are not gettting the relief and supplies they need.  If anyone at all can donate money to the red cross or salvation army please do so.  There are people dying in our country.

actually, scratch that, today i saw a GS that had unleaded priced at 3.85$, funnily enough, i saw some people talking to the owner...hmmm, wonder where that discussion was heading...

saave the people first, politics later, donate money, stop complaing about gas prices, people are losing their lives, I have to pay alot for gas tooo.  My mom is trying to go down there as a Nurse and my brother is trying to sign up as a volunteer and all you can do is complain.

Please if there is one thing I can get across donate donate donate.

I cant believe you're talking about gas dont you understand whats happening.

"and all you care aobut is how much the gas costs???"

David, I will say my piece, then i suggest we all back off on this subject...

--No, like every other person in the world. We have to survive. You don't get what it is like to live on welfare, to have food stamps. To go with out. I do. I know what it is like to have to rob peter to pay paul,  as i am sure many others do. I've given what i could to charities, to help. So don't give me that.

Don't start that "texan president" ####. Oy, I've seen that excuse used so many times i begin to have little respect for those who constantly use it. Perhaps its the dealing with  fellow liberals that i would rather not associate with. (no offense btw)

"Maybe there would have been more resources to SAVE people, if most of them hadn't been used to KILL people in Iraq instead... "

--Although i agree that it would be best to stay away from this subject...i have a small bit to say.
In my opinion, they are free. I don't give a flying #$@ whether or not the war was wrong or right. Our troops wouldn't have joined if they didn't believe in it. Who cares about the politics. They are FREE!

Yes, what happened in NO is horrible. I have friends that lived in New Orleans, of course they don't now... But in certain aspects i have little sympathy for those that didn't leave (not including the ones in that stayed in the superdomesome), they could have walked.... It may be harsh...but, thats how i feel. So thats my two cents...

The world is slowly falling apart, no mattey what any one thinks, or says. Take a step back and look around you(americans). In the US alone we have politicians drawing lines and their cohorts backing them up. Over such things as whose fault it is, who is the best,etc... its crap. People who used to not care about politics are taking sides, pretty soon the US will be divided into US/THEM, its stupid.
Politicians spout "united we stand..." yet most divide, what america needs are statesmen. Not politicians.

So far the only one who really seems to get to the point of the matter of N.O. at this time, is Malia. As for discussing this topic, each their own opinion about it, and we'll see what digests better on the stomach in the end when people have nothing left: some food, some money or some oil.

I think its sick that people can kill and all that in the situation they're in themselves down there. Anyone who might not get the US News or not have heard on the US News, the helicoptor pilots were getting shot at I heard on there. On top of the National Guard they've had to call the main US Army down there with orders to 'shoot to kill'.
I don't know about the rest of the world and Gas, but with the oil rigs down in the Gulf shut down for the time, the lines in my local area to the Gas Stations took up main street. Several stations are now out of gas.

So if I understand this well... people are dying out there because of a nature disaster, and 12 more similar disasters are expected in which probably even more people will die... and all you care aobut is how much the gas costs???

The oil production problems that this nature disaster has caused, may very well be a blessing to the Earth. Maybe it's the first step closer to awareness of the people, that this oil production is destroying our planet, YES causing the destruction of our very own people out there! Maybe finally the plans (that are already in existence! of cars running on solar or water power, will be taken serious? Or must the the world be destroyed first before mankind discovers that money cannot be eaten?

Let's not start on that again.

The gas problem was always there, the hurricane only impacted it more because of the oil rigs and prosessing plants that where in the south has to shut down. Part of me thinks even when they do return to normal the gas companys to love $$$ will not lower prices. One of many downfalls to having a Texan president. He and his Vice President are very close with the gas companys.  The Hurricane is a separate problem which is bigger no one will denie. Purphaps implying people do not understand is to much. And i can only hope your not making a contest of who's doing more to help. Such a mockery of the situation would be disgusting.  I think everyone understands. But as nothing like this has ever happend in the US, we will learn from the mistakes made. Sadly most people who remained could not leave in time. But as in all Hurricanes many opted to stay freely. Purphaps more demanding, faster, and bigger evacuation plans will be made for the future. Being below sea level was all the more to add to the severeness of the situation. I wouldn't even consider moving back if it remains like that.

And I thought my post was angry...though I made it half asleep.
 I think the general point of all this is..including my little bit and Lucas' well detailed. Its a very big insult, and a very bold thing to say, when you imply that those of us talking to each other about simple local gas prices, me curious about the prices in other parts of the US, that we don't really care about that major crisis. Its dwindling around a hatefull thing to push towards in these times, what would be even more hatefull, though, would be some kind of argument. So I'll pull out having defended the implications involving what I brought up.
Not one person who implied that all is cared about is 'Gas Prices' knows how much, and what I feel about anything else. Don't act like you care so much, and I care so little. That kind of thinking doesn't need to be done at all, anywhere, during any time. It only leads to the response that is here. There is no way for the comments made to NOT rub someone the wrong way. Not someone who really cares...

I am done then. You think nobody else has the ability to realize, or does realize anything? You make it look that way, at least. If only to me and nobody else. I don't think there is much more I can say, if you think people are to ignorant to see much of what you see, or understand much of what you say.