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[Strider]

1.) I never said I didn't understand the point of view you pointed out.

2.) I said I was sorry, I attepmted to apologize. What more do you want?

[Vorak]

To go over to a personal note, Tomas yesterday in the chat you were talking to me about my fight with Strider, and I told you I had uppermost problems getting along with him.
And then you told me "and that is for me the same with X" (I will not fill out the name X because I'm not sure that's a good idea, but you know of whom I speak).  And then I told you to talk to X, and you did, and even so slightly, you evoluted.
But I did not myself.  I gave you the advice that I should have followed myself.
And I did not do it until Winterspoon gave the same advice to ME.  And so, yes, I did talk with Strider and we did end our differences there and then.  He has apologized to me, I have apologized to him, and we have talked about certain differences and put them in a different light so that reality is divided from misunderstandings.
After all, how could I judge over him, if I myself was commanded by anger the whole time?

[Hedford]

Noble Idea Admiral.

[Valory]

I wouldnt say that.  I understand other peoples views on the events.  We've only seemed to have fought death with more death, more innocents dying.  But it is also hard for me to say that we shouldn't have fought back.  When I hear what those firefighters have gone through, losing friends and loved ones, seeing the people jumping, searching for bodies and body parts.  All of those children who lost fathers and mothers.  And it's hard, we weren't out for vengence, only justice, I suppose that is just as bad, but when I see those images it's hard for me to say dont fight back, we have to.

(Edited by Valory at 8:49 am on Sep. 10, 2002)

[John Riker]

Nocturnus is right. I remember what I was thinking. I was in New Jersey at the time...only one state over. I didn't know if the whole coast was under attack by foreign powers or not. I didn't want war (as I don't wish to serve in the military...even as reserves). But, the Uninted States must do something about the threat to its power. The end of the world? Frankly the answer is that it is quite possible.

[Dalen Winterspoon]

Hum-hum, Strider...
If I may point something...
The economy of the USA is at 200 points under the fatal limit. The recession is coming. The only way to solve this problem is to spend money. So, Bush makes war because he has no choice. Because he is not a previsionist. Because he does not forsee the future of his people.
If he could, he would discover a way to stop the relentless crash that is destroying slowly but surely the Economy of the World.

Sorry for you, bud, but Clinton was smarter than Bush. Even if he made some mistakes.

[Strider]

Which is exactly what your doing to America. trying to tell us how we can and cannot react.

[Hedford]

Nice spoke Admiral...I totally agree.

[Vorak]

I have attempted more than a few ways to create an opening, to make you understand another point of view.  I have looked at it from your religion, hoping that that way you would understand the reasoning, and even quoted something of the bible.  I have explained the experience of a simple street musician I know, and now I give the wisdom of a Star Trek species you chose to play on this RPG. Nothing seems to get through you.
Your attitude is an insult on civilization in general.

[Nocturnus]

As Per Presidents and Prime MInisters or any world leader.

They are all GOOD and BAD at the same time.  YOu will never have a person who can PLEASE EVERYBODY.

Bush is doing what He thinks is right and most may not agree with him.

or he could've done nothing and Many may not be happy about that either.

Give the guy a break if you could run country better you do it and you'll understand that as humans we are difficult pigs to live with.

Austalians are in uproar over here as well.  Our fantastic Prime Minister has just allied our army with the Americans. as a show of good will.

[Vorak]

People, tomorrow I will move this topic to the OFF-game forum and remove the Sept 11 forum.  So this topic is not lost and you will be able to post in it afterwards still if you wish, but it'll just be found in the OFF-game forum as of tomorrow. Thanks.

[Boris Plechanow]

on Sept 11, 2001 ... at about 3.00 pm (GMT) I was in Berlin in the glass-cupola of the Reichstag (the german government house) we were in Berlin with our class and made a trip. we felt very sad, and were afraid, that something like this could happen here in Germany, esp. in Berlin, too .... a half houre later, we had to leave the Reichstag, and outside the building, there were tanks, heavy armed soldiers and in the whole city u could see military, police and security people. In the evening we came back to the youth hostel there we could watch CNN and NBC and saw the horrible pictures, videos and reports, from New York ..... it was terrible, some of us sit in the corners, screamed, some people prayed or cried .... later we went to the hard rock cafe in berlin, to think about other things.
But the next days, we could not really enjoy our tour.

I hope I will forget this day sometime .... and I hope, that the people who died and their families will find peace ....

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greetz to Dagmar, who lost her aunt in the WTC!
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...... that was my Sept. 11, 2001

[Valory]

I remeber I was sick that day, still upset over the funeral of my best friends mom on the 3rd.  I was sitting on the couch watchin the Today show, when all of a sudden they showed a pic of one of the wtc on fire.  They were talkin about how it might have happened, when right before our eyes the second plane crashed.  Thats when we knew it was terrorists.  I sat on that couch all day and watched and listened as the whole thing transpired.  And yes I was afraid.  They closed the airports, and I remember the silence outside, but they said that there were still planes unnacounted for.  It was hard to watch anything about that day for months, only now can I watch some of it, but it still brings tears, and fears.  We have moved on and some have forgotten.  But we are not supposed to forget.  If we forget, then those people died in vain.  I am only soo lucky that my cousins who are firefighters, and cops, while one was injured, none died.  I am very thankful for that.  I can never wipe the memory of that day out of my mind.

[Tomas Goransson]

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Quote: from Shakira on 6:23 pm on Sep. 8, 2002 I can't believe a year has gone already since that day. Seriously, a year and still people are scared. I'm not saying 'hey be cool', but living with fear is not the way you should live your life. Learn from your experiences and from others' (life is too short to learn from yours only, it is said), move on. I know it's way easier saying it than actually doing it, but not trying to is (in my opinion) the worst thing you could do. I heard it's better to get lost in the sea than never get on the ship. Not that I want you to be lost in the sea, but the intention of that phrase is to remark the importance of trying. Now, that's all I had to say. Peace out!

I think that Sara has right. I do remember it, but not as it was yesterday. I remember it as it was a year ago. I was coming home from school and saw a plane fly in to a building and thought: Wierd movie" or something. Don´t be mad at me, but I actually thought it the first couple of seconds. then a news-guy started to speak or something and I realised that it was not a poor movie, it was reallity. I did not reacted whery much, sure, I understand that many persons are sorry and have right to be for what happened. I was mostly confused actually, what had happened? and so on. It is not that I do not think that it was a bad act, I just didn´t felt whery sorry. I know it was bad by whoever did it (Usama might be inicent, who knows? He did say he made it, but yet...?) and he may rotten in #### or get put up on a nuclear bomb or something, but I have whery hard to get emotions as sorrow, even when I know I should have them. I was avtually not scared that they should do something like this to us (Sweden), becouse we are not involved in the things that USA are. You may excuse me Val, but so it is. But sure I think it is a whery, whery horrible thing that happened almost a year ago, do not come and say that I do not think that!

[Valory]

I hate this.  Yet again we have gone to Level Orange and they say there is a very high risk of terrorist attacks.  I'm afraid becuase nut only is there a nuc power plant here, this is where the Pres. comes from.  But what can I do about it.  I remember how many times after the attacks, news came on and said there is a potential for another attack, and then all the info about bio warfare.  People were afraid to open their mail.  I knew it was very unlikely that we would recieve an envolpe, but that doesnt mean it couldn't have come into contact with some.  Now some bomb makin materials here have been stolen.  I think eventually I'll just go numb, sometimes I wish for it.  I just pray everyday that there isn't another 9/11, or anything close to it.